Forum

[echelon]

Interesting - so if you're winning when 3 comes second - that must have been a bet in the place market.

However, as you mentioned earlier you're picking up winners at up to 100/1 and I doubt if those can be found in the place market (certainly not in UK races!).

I'm sure it's no coincidence that two strategies ended up firing in bets on 4

The key question I'm struggling with right now, is when to bet in the place market and when to bet in the win market?...

[charlie]

I think what is meant is all 4 backed to win but the selection methods were good enough to pick the 1st and 2nd the 4 dog picked by 2 different bot methods and 4 bets were made, one each by different bots.

[Beerio]

250/1 that would have been a lovely score I don't work on the Aus Greys and appreciate if you can't answer this question as it would compromise your edge, but will ask anyway lol

Which stat do you value more for your systems? Sectional or Average time for each dog? Would like to see if I have the same setting at you for UK Greys. Many thanks and continue posting in the thread as it's a great learning tool.

[Beerio]

I am not going to do all the work for you and tell you how to do it

but if it were me - I would look at the relationships between the inside 3 and outside 3 - and what races are the outside 3 winning and what are the characteristics of the race

so what if there are 50 races in a day but you figure that only 5 fit the bill -- find more tracks find more races

I have based my system on the dogs speed and specific box rational, but as you said this above I would have to revisit previous races and see if the above would apply/improve the bets that im taking now.

I don't want you get offended at all, as defo not asking for you to disclose your system, was just wondering what your rationale was. Just looking to improve on what I already have that's all and not many people discuss openly about systems they build and are profitable.

[Beerio]

GL with your system hope it continues to be fruitful for you and thanks for the suggestions to improve my own bots. Keep on collecting that green

[echelon]

dn6789 - a few weeks back the great title of this thread attracted me to read through your thoughts and advice. Even in those earlier days, I was surprised that there was so little interaction from others given (as Beerio says) that it's most unusual for someone who achieves success in trading to come back to a forum and give others who may be struggling some hints of how they can best spend their time to create a successful strategy (or several!).

The key thing you've done for me is to help me focus my analysis of whatever results I'm looking at and to see patterns and then put these together as multiple strategies to achieve a decent level of consistency.

All the best for the future! I think you may be buying a new boat or house next...never mind a new car (although it could be a Bugatti, you have your eye on ). Thanks a million for all your help it's been fascinating, eye-opening and enlightening taking on board your thoughts and ideas. I've not been avid racing follower of any kind, so it's been great to hear some ideas which don't rely on form, handicapping and all the other stuff I find totally baffling lol.

[teie01032]

Hello. I found this thread and I belive its very interesting . Nice work .
Can I ask what stats do you used to scrape to find those winners ?
Because I belive you dont do that anymore .

[teie01032]

Yea. Thats the problem. For me its data reading . I cant really understand how to read stats ..
Data scraping is not really tine consuming . I can automate that . But for nothing if I cant read it...

[teie01032]

I know . I dont really ask you to reveal it .
But can I ask . Do you still use payed data ? Or just what is available on bfbot results tab ?

[teie01032]

I am not a programmer either . but I can scrape pages using python . but believe me when I say I am not good with numbers .
you mentioned earlier that I can make easily 150 a day ) . my dream for a long time is to make 50 a day. that will solve a lot of problems where I live .
well . I have to keep searchin'

[LousyDrunk]

Hey DN6789

I just wanted to say thanks for sharing all your hard work. You've saved me some headaches in trying to figure this stuff out on my own while giving direction.

At this point I've managed to stumble across one basic strategy that's giving me about $10-30 a day while I learn how to use AI to shift through data. While I'm only doing it on the side, I expect it'll take me a few months to come up with anything decent. If I think of anything to help with your own sequences I'll be sure to pass it along but at this point I'm just fumbling through.

Thanks again

[AutoShark]

Hey mate! Fellow Aussie here. Long time reader, first time poster. This information is priceless! Slowly trying to get my head around the little hints you give out.. and when they click they work.. I set up some “long odd shot bots” with filters from your information you have hinted out, built the bots yesterday and first 24 hours it was up 74 units. I couldn’t believe it. They don’t hit that often but when they hit they are BIG odds. Anyway cheers mate, slowly trying to bring it all together but the future looks bright

[AutoShark]

Spot on mate! Some days they hit multiple times, some days they don’t hit at all. But like you said you want something in place to take advantage when this scenario happens.
Cheers

[andyg303]

Giving this one a bump. Looks like the original posters posts have all been deleted...

Can anyone else who has commented on this thread give any info on what is missing?

As it sounds very interesting.

Thanks

[echelon]

There was tons of content from the original all of which I can't remember. I believe that DN has deleted their user and all posts have gone too. The reason I suspect is that DN was primarily betting on AU dogs where the market volume is often very thin and if too many people enter those markets the odds will tighten making them less attractive to bet on.

The general idea is that DN had multiple linked strategies to cover both faves and outsiders winning. There were no laying strats and BSP was used because that gives a slight edge when backing.

Simple sequence overall P/L staking was used in stages to increment bets over approx. 6-8 steps up to about 4x original stake before resetting back to the original stake.

I suspect that single sequence was used only on the fave strats and that the outsider strats would home in on particular odds/traps and possibly more. For example: Races where Fave 1 odds are quite high tend to be more open than those where there are clear faves, also where fave 1 and 2 are very close in odds and running in adjacent traps, there's an opportunity for the dogs to collide and let a big odds outsider win.